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tamerlan is gone now. that concerns me big time. >> reporter: more pieces fit together in a telephone interview wolf blitzer did with the ex-brother-in-law of the two suspects. he said he met misha twice, was introduced to him by tamerlan. he didn't witness misha turning tamerlan into a radical islamist -- >> he surely did have influence and did teach him things that would make tamerlan, you know, go away from the people and go more into the religion. and maybe that is possible that he suggested to him some radical ideas. >> reporter: he said tamerlan tsarnaev told him he'd quit boxing and listening to mainstream music because misha taught him that in islam it's not good to do those things. asked if he suspected that misha was connected to any terrorist groups -- >> i didn't suspect either him or tamerlan being connected to terror groups or having terrorist ideas. but i know that they had a lot of conversations about just, you know, islam and how islam is being attacked from the outside from the western co
tamerlan is gone now. that concerns me big time. >> reporter: more pieces fit together in a telephone interview wolf blitzer did with the ex-brother-in-law of the two suspects. he said he met misha twice, was introduced to him by tamerlan. he didn't witness misha turning tamerlan into a radical islamist -- >> he surely did have influence and did teach him things that would make tamerlan, you know, go away from the people and go more into the religion. and maybe that is possible that...
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but it isn't just about explosives, the brother also had three guns tamerlan was somehow able to buy a gun even though he was on the federal government terrorist watch list. it's just amazing. in fact the gun bill that republicans doomed in the senate last week would have closed that loophole that we thought it was just gun shows but it's the terrorist watch list as well. and since it failed selling guns to suspected terrorists is still legal in this country. and guess who has taken notice? terrorists. al qaeda spokesman alan ghaddan today this. >> in the west you have got a lot at your disposal. let's take america as an example. america is absolutely awash with easily obtainable firearms. you can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle without a background check and most likely without having to show an indication card. so what are you waiting for? >> michael: and the damn senate voted to allow this to continue. it's so frightening. even after the gun bill's defeat, democrats are working to change the law to keep guns o
but it isn't just about explosives, the brother also had three guns tamerlan was somehow able to buy a gun even though he was on the federal government terrorist watch list. it's just amazing. in fact the gun bill that republicans doomed in the senate last week would have closed that loophole that we thought it was just gun shows but it's the terrorist watch list as well. and since it failed selling guns to suspected terrorists is still legal in this country. and guess who has taken notice?...
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about tamerlan tsarnaev twice. first they told the fbi early in 2011 and late the same year a government source tells cnn they also told the central intelligence agency, too, the cia. now the question is, what did the government do about it? when tamerlan tsarnaev left the u.s. for russia in january, 2012, the department of homeland security took note. his name was included in the customs and border protection system which is supposed to detect unusual or suspicious travel. it was there because the now dead boston bomber was also included in the fbi's enormous terrorism screening data base. 500,000 names of known or suspected terrorists. he was also on the national counterterrorism center's terrorist identity's data mart environment similar to the fbi list and updated several times a day with much more specific information. his departure was communicated to the joint terrorism task force in boston. so how is it that three government agencies knew about tsarnaev but he got such freedom to travel? intelligence and la
about tamerlan tsarnaev twice. first they told the fbi early in 2011 and late the same year a government source tells cnn they also told the central intelligence agency, too, the cia. now the question is, what did the government do about it? when tamerlan tsarnaev left the u.s. for russia in january, 2012, the department of homeland security took note. his name was included in the customs and border protection system which is supposed to detect unusual or suspicious travel. it was there because...
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this guy tamerlan came over in the refugee clause in the immigration policy. if you are asking for political asylum, you can get welfare benefits, a typical green card recipient would have to wait about five years to start to get welfare recipient. he got it right away. in massachusetts, the department of transitional assistance, he likely got section 8 housing, mass transit cards. ebt cards. a public defender for his domestic violence offense in 2009. and now dzhokhar, the one who is living is going to get like a hugely popular well-known public defender as well. he had scholarships, enough is enough. we really need to revamp the immigration policy and our welfare policy. >> bill: you put your finger on it. this is is the law. you may not like it and you may not agree with it but it is the law. the law has got to change. >> kimberly: you agree? bob bon sure. i also agree that cubans who automatically get to this country have benefits because of back in the 1960's we were so outraged by castro. everybody has got exceptions here. that's part of the problem. >>
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it is possible, though, that tamerlan tsarnaev last year also prayed here. of course the mosque is their mosque. our technological work gives us operational information that abu dijon went there, met people, and agitated. not once but many times. >> there are reports he was observed at the mosque and observed meeting tsarnaev. do you know this? >> translator: i really can't answer this. for different reasons i can't answer. you understand me? >> nick payton walsh joins us live now from dagestan. is it possible that tamerlan tsarnaev was linked to these insurgents in dagestan? >> it's entirely possible. they were in the same city at the same time. tamerlan tsarnaev linked to a video of abu dijon from his youtube channel but we have no proof they met or were in actual contact at all. circumstantially it is entirely possible and you see the wealth of evidence there that suggest it. i should point out u.s. officials are investigating what social media suggests about any links to extremism here but there is no concrete link established between them yet apart from
it is possible, though, that tamerlan tsarnaev last year also prayed here. of course the mosque is their mosque. our technological work gives us operational information that abu dijon went there, met people, and agitated. not once but many times. >> there are reports he was observed at the mosque and observed meeting tsarnaev. do you know this? >> translator: i really can't answer this. for different reasons i can't answer. you understand me? >> nick payton walsh joins us live...
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that's all. >> reporter: tamerlan's body has not been taken into custody. the parents say they would like to bring the body back with them to russia. >> shepard: trace gallagher, it's my understanding a local boston mosque wouldn't have a -- wouldn't have a funeral for him. is that true? >> we're checking that out. we heard those reports. it's not been confirmed but we heard that. the parents said they would like to take the body home and give it a proper muslim burial in the homeland. >> shepard: thank you. if this does make it to trial, the defense strategy is clear. all they want to do is avoid the death penalty. with us, rebecca rosewoodland live in the studio. it's my understanding this guy has a pretty good defense team. a high profile attorney about whom we have information. >> we have a lot of information. miriam conrad is the head of what we call the public defenders office. he said in his hospital bed, the one word he said was, no meaning i cannot afford an attorney. under our constitution we provide defendants with attorneys. we're providing him
that's all. >> reporter: tamerlan's body has not been taken into custody. the parents say they would like to bring the body back with them to russia. >> shepard: trace gallagher, it's my understanding a local boston mosque wouldn't have a -- wouldn't have a funeral for him. is that true? >> we're checking that out. we heard those reports. it's not been confirmed but we heard that. the parents said they would like to take the body home and give it a proper muslim burial in the...
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so that when tamerlan, last year tamerlan tsarnaev went to fly to moscow, the u.s. government knew about it because it pinged in the data base. but u.s. officials looked that and said, well okay, he is flying. we check need him and there isn't anything there. i guess there's a couple of questions there. in a situation like this, where you get a request from a foreign government, should there be more -- looking into it, if there is subsequent travel. that cuts both ways. several members of congress have said, they get like 20,000 tips of these tips a year, individual agent, assigned to people get something like a hundred of them a week. and if you keep adding to that list, does that become an unmathageable workload. that's one question. but the second question is, what about some of these radical things that tamerlan tsarnaev was known to be putting on his website? some of these outspoken jihadist advocates overseas, should there be some way it keep more track when people post things to their websites, of noted radicals overseas. that's a tricky area. because its pro
so that when tamerlan, last year tamerlan tsarnaev went to fly to moscow, the u.s. government knew about it because it pinged in the data base. but u.s. officials looked that and said, well okay, he is flying. we check need him and there isn't anything there. i guess there's a couple of questions there. in a situation like this, where you get a request from a foreign government, should there be more -- looking into it, if there is subsequent travel. that cuts both ways. several members of...
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and tamerlan was alone for that trip. although the father had been quoted as saying he was there and tamerlan never left his side. the surviving suspect younger brother dzhokhar has reportedly told authorities that his brother was the mastermind of the boston marathon bombing and that there was no international influence. but the feds are investigating the possibility that during his trip overseas tamerlan may have had contact with a man known as the russian bin laden. sea chechen islamic radical considered one of the world's most wanted men and we learn this information just as we learn that our fbi is saying contrary to reports out of the u.s. senate that it did not have multiple contacts from the russian government as the senator had suggested the fbi or the others. get to that in a minute. first though greg palkot joins us with the very latest live from london, greg? >> yeah, megyn. officials we have been speaking to at the u.s. embassy and at the fbi are not saying too much about this visit but multiple reports confi
and tamerlan was alone for that trip. although the father had been quoted as saying he was there and tamerlan never left his side. the surviving suspect younger brother dzhokhar has reportedly told authorities that his brother was the mastermind of the boston marathon bombing and that there was no international influence. but the feds are investigating the possibility that during his trip overseas tamerlan may have had contact with a man known as the russian bin laden. sea chechen islamic...
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this would have been tamerlan tsarnaev who set this bomb. and on this store today, boston strong." this is the site of the second bombing. police still sensitive about allowing any video to be shot of that site. this is where police say 12 seconds after the first bomb dzhokhar tsarnaev left his bomb. killed that day was 29-year-old krystle campbell, a restaurant manager, lu lingzi, a chinese national graduate student at boston university, and martin richard, an 8-year-old boy from the dorchester neighborhood here in boston. this is a memorial set up here in copley square. everything here from the crosses to the teddy bears to the flowers were all gathered up from other parts of boylston street that were closed along the way. this may be the most touching part of all this, the shoes hung along the barrier everywhere along this little memorial here and it's growing. people keep coming by. and it doesn't look like it's going to stop any time soon. miguel marquez, cnn, boston. >> all right. thanks to miguel for that. obviously sneakers the symbol of the marathon. that memorial just ove
this would have been tamerlan tsarnaev who set this bomb. and on this store today, boston strong." this is the site of the second bombing. police still sensitive about allowing any video to be shot of that site. this is where police say 12 seconds after the first bomb dzhokhar tsarnaev left his bomb. killed that day was 29-year-old krystle campbell, a restaurant manager, lu lingzi, a chinese national graduate student at boston university, and martin richard, an 8-year-old boy from the...
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so tamerlan tsarnaev's name according to our sources was in that database. he also apparently was in a database called t.i.d.e. that is a classified database. and it is very important because these databases are used by the fbi, by law enforcement officials to put together the terror no-fly list. and apparently tamerlan tsarnaev's name was not on that list, but there was a notation in one of these databases that were tamerlan tsarnaev to leave the united states, that the fbi was supposed to be pinged. and apparently according to what janet napolitano testified on capitol hill yesterday, there was a ping in the system when tamerlan left the country to go to russia last year, but according to our sources what we're being told is that there was a one-year timeframe for that ping, that notation in the system. so when he went to russia, the database pinged, but when he came back the database did not ping because during that trip to russia apparently that notation that was in the system expired. so all of this is very important because as we've been reporting over
so tamerlan tsarnaev's name according to our sources was in that database. he also apparently was in a database called t.i.d.e. that is a classified database. and it is very important because these databases are used by the fbi, by law enforcement officials to put together the terror no-fly list. and apparently tamerlan tsarnaev's name was not on that list, but there was a notation in one of these databases that were tamerlan tsarnaev to leave the united states, that the fbi was supposed to be...
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we have heard tamerlan had been there. there were thousands of young men who come here, how would we know if or not he came here? it wasn't a flat out denial, but it was clear they didn't want us hanging out there with cameras. we were made to feel like our time there should be kept short. outside of tamerlan's house, i got a different reception. the lady there told me she remembered him going in late spring, early summer. when he came back it was sort of january to july time. she said she saw him for about a month, a month and a half. she did say he never bought cigarettes or alcohol from her. he was at that stage of being a conservative islamist. other people were sort of surprised. they saw us and said what are you doing here? that's when they were learning that tamerlan lived in their neighborhood. they didn't know he lived there. >> interesting. i appreciate the update on that. one thing we have learned about his motive is dzhokhar tsarnaev said he and his brother became radicals all on their own. the suspect is telli
we have heard tamerlan had been there. there were thousands of young men who come here, how would we know if or not he came here? it wasn't a flat out denial, but it was clear they didn't want us hanging out there with cameras. we were made to feel like our time there should be kept short. outside of tamerlan's house, i got a different reception. the lady there told me she remembered him going in late spring, early summer. when he came back it was sort of january to july time. she said she saw...
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officials his sons were innocent and tamerlan said no contact with radicals in dagestan. extremists there claimed the same. there are different reasons for him going, conflicting timelines of where he was and who he was with. a lot of focus on one of the mosquit mosque. they believe in fact he did make contact with extremists. again no hard evidence of that contact. at least during the time he was in that dagestan city he had exposure to radicalism. there was several clashes between islamist troops demanding independence for dagestan from russia. no hard evidence again but circumstantial evidence of the significance of this trip before, by all accounts he had turned much more conservative in his islamic beliefs. after that it all ratcheted up. after the trip he spoke out at a local moderate boston mosque, started posting islamic videos on his youtube site and allegedly started to make preparations for that boston attack along with his surviving brother dzhokhar. jon: perhaps there will be time to answer the question in the days ahead. the father moved his family here clai
officials his sons were innocent and tamerlan said no contact with radicals in dagestan. extremists there claimed the same. there are different reasons for him going, conflicting timelines of where he was and who he was with. a lot of focus on one of the mosquit mosque. they believe in fact he did make contact with extremists. again no hard evidence of that contact. at least during the time he was in that dagestan city he had exposure to radicalism. there was several clashes between islamist...
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tamerlan introduced me to him. it seems to me that misha has influence on tamerlan because when -- for the reasons why tamerlan was boxing said that misha [ inaudible ] told me that boxing is violent. >> do you believe he inspired the older brother to become a radio cal muslim? is that what i hear you saying? >> he surely did have influence and did teach him things that would make tamerlan go away from the people and go more into the religion. may be it is possible he suggested to him some radical ideas. i didn't witness him making him radical or i didn't witness him [ inaudible ] i just know tamerlan told me that he quit boxing and music because misha was teaching him that it's not good in islam to do those things. >> what was victor's -- what was victor's last name? do you know his full name misha? >> i don't know his full name. i only met him twice. tamerlan told me this is misha, my friend. he lives in the u.s. for a while now. that's pretty much it. i heard them speak to each other but i didn't listen to what
tamerlan introduced me to him. it seems to me that misha has influence on tamerlan because when -- for the reasons why tamerlan was boxing said that misha [ inaudible ] told me that boxing is violent. >> do you believe he inspired the older brother to become a radio cal muslim? is that what i hear you saying? >> he surely did have influence and did teach him things that would make tamerlan go away from the people and go more into the religion. may be it is possible he suggested to...
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the late tamerlan tsarnaev paid to dagestan in 2012. the parents are reportedly telling authorities that no contact was made between him and radical islamist there is. a group is claiming the same thing. there are a lot of questions about that trip. different reasons for him going. conflicting timelines where he was, who he was with. a lot of focus on one mosque in dagestan tamerlan said to have attended during the trip and a prior one. it is a salafist mosque, a extreme mosque one which radicals have attended. there is one report russian officials think he did make contact several times with an extremist, bill. bill: greg, we don't know when this man turned, whether it was in the u.s. in boston or whether it was overseas. what is the working theory on behalf of authorities when tamerlan, the older brother, could have been radicalized? >> reporter: very good question. it is always a possibility that the turning happened exactly there in that country but in fact he was, we believe, closely watched. our own amy kellogg here speaking to a
the late tamerlan tsarnaev paid to dagestan in 2012. the parents are reportedly telling authorities that no contact was made between him and radical islamist there is. a group is claiming the same thing. there are a lot of questions about that trip. different reasons for him going. conflicting timelines where he was, who he was with. a lot of focus on one mosque in dagestan tamerlan said to have attended during the trip and a prior one. it is a salafist mosque, a extreme mosque one which...
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that is a little bit of a different story about what we knew about tamerlan tsarnaev's travels or not. was he on a watch list? wasn't he not? by her saying that, she's implying he was on a watch list. >> so, it would appear. i think it's fair to say that the, we don't know the answer to that because we're getting different answers from the intelligence community about whether he was ever put on a watch list. i guess there's two ways to look at this. the individual specifics about precisely how this was handled, but if you step back, there's a larger question here. that is when a foreign government gives us potentially derogatory information about someone, stop right there. should that create an entry for that person in the system? then keep going down the process. here, the fbi says they looked thoroughly at him, as much as they were allowed to do during this legal operation they're going in in this initial threat assessment. they find nothing. should that keep the listing, the watch listing active? or should it go away? these are and then if that person then flies to the country that
that is a little bit of a different story about what we knew about tamerlan tsarnaev's travels or not. was he on a watch list? wasn't he not? by her saying that, she's implying he was on a watch list. >> so, it would appear. i think it's fair to say that the, we don't know the answer to that because we're getting different answers from the intelligence community about whether he was ever put on a watch list. i guess there's two ways to look at this. the individual specifics about...
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tamerlÁn forma parte de otra investigaciÓn, por la muerte de su mejor amigo. el Único amigo estadounidense que segÚn Él tenÍa. que muriÓ degollado junto con otros 2 hombres, en un departamento en massachusetts en el 2011. la madre de los hermanos tsarnaÉv sostiene que sus hijos son inocentes. >>> lo que sucediÓ fue terrible pero yo sÉ que mis hijos no tuvieron que ver con esto. yo lo sÉ soy su madre y son mis hijos. >>> quÉ hizo el hermano mayor viaje que realizÓ semanas despuÉs que su amigo fue encontrado degollado en massachusetts. cuando regresÓ ese viaje el aÑo pasado, sus amigos vieron cambios en su comportamiento y cuando tamerlÁn tsarnaÉv colgÓ videos radicales en hasta las pÁginas de las redes sociales. ilia. >>> >>> gracias vilma por tu informaciÓn. >>> el propietario de la planta de fertilizantes en west texas fue demandado por una madre sol tira y varias compaÑÍas de seguros en nombre de individuos, 2 iglesias, un vendedor de autos, una panaderÍa y otros negocios. la empresa de mmandada acusado negligencia del mantenimiento de
tamerlÁn forma parte de otra investigaciÓn, por la muerte de su mejor amigo. el Único amigo estadounidense que segÚn Él tenÍa. que muriÓ degollado junto con otros 2 hombres, en un departamento en massachusetts en el 2011. la madre de los hermanos tsarnaÉv sostiene que sus hijos son inocentes. >>> lo que sucediÓ fue terrible pero yo sÉ que mis hijos no tuvieron que ver con esto. yo lo sÉ soy su madre y son mis hijos. >>> quÉ hizo el hermano mayor viaje que realizÓ...
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politicians have been asking why one of the suspects, tamerlan tsarnaev, was not monitored more closely. he was interviewed by the fbi in 2011 after being flagged by russian authorities. he died in a shooting with police. his tender brother was arrested on saturday and is now in hospital for gunshot wounds. u.s. prosecutors have dropped all charges against a man accused of sending boys and- laced letters to president obama and two other people. paul kevin curtis was released because new information has been revealed. the letters were intercepted before they reached their targets. the mexican president has suspended planned reforms to the banking sector if because of a dispute with opposition parties. as one of the first major challenges for him, who came to power in december, the legislation was meant to increase lending in a plan that he had agreed to with the opposition. his concern was the dispute could affect the progress with other forms. now more from mexico city. ishenrique pena nieto calling for them to work out an agreement with reforms that he has launched since he took office
politicians have been asking why one of the suspects, tamerlan tsarnaev, was not monitored more closely. he was interviewed by the fbi in 2011 after being flagged by russian authorities. he died in a shooting with police. his tender brother was arrested on saturday and is now in hospital for gunshot wounds. u.s. prosecutors have dropped all charges against a man accused of sending boys and- laced letters to president obama and two other people. paul kevin curtis was released because new...
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he says that a friend from 2009, in his words, brainwashed tamerlan. listen. >> there's a person from some new convert into islam from armenian descent. armenians have no intention to say anything about armenians, it's a neighboring region with north caucasus. i said this person just took his brain, just brainwashed him completely. tamerlan is off now, there's no any obedience and respect to his own father. >> turn now to congressman, chairman of the house judiciary committee from virginia, he attended yesterday's fbi briefing on the boston bombings. congressman, thank you so much for joining us this morning. let me first ask you about two pieces of information that we just heard. first, about this armenian figure known as misha. that the uncle to the tsarnaev brothers saying influenced tamerlan somehow over the years. is that something some information that was included in your intelligence briefings that have you heard anything about this mysterious figure? >> this is -- this is new information, and it's important that we have the appropriate aauthor
he says that a friend from 2009, in his words, brainwashed tamerlan. listen. >> there's a person from some new convert into islam from armenian descent. armenians have no intention to say anything about armenians, it's a neighboring region with north caucasus. i said this person just took his brain, just brainwashed him completely. tamerlan is off now, there's no any obedience and respect to his own father. >> turn now to congressman, chairman of the house judiciary committee from...
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and then my, my tamerlan used to tell me he used to talk to them. they called me once the they wanted his number. and then, at such moments i used to get worried. >> reporter: at this point, zubeidat does not plan to travel to the u.s. to bury tamerlan and see her son dzhokhar at the hospital he was charged where he is recovering. abc news learned that tsarnaev has an outstanding arrest warrant after she missed a court appearance in october stemming from a shoplifting case. charged with three felony counts for allegedly stealing $1,600 from lord & taylor in massachusetts last june. wendy gillette, abc news, new york. >>> a funeral mass was held yesterday in boston for the youngest marathon bombing victim, only family members attended for martin richard. friends and family and fellow police officers paying tribute to the m.i.t. police officer sean collier, he was fatally shot three days after the bombing. vice president biden attend a memorial service for collier later today. >>> for the first time we're hearing from david henneberry who owned the bo
and then my, my tamerlan used to tell me he used to talk to them. they called me once the they wanted his number. and then, at such moments i used to get worried. >> reporter: at this point, zubeidat does not plan to travel to the u.s. to bury tamerlan and see her son dzhokhar at the hospital he was charged where he is recovering. abc news learned that tsarnaev has an outstanding arrest warrant after she missed a court appearance in october stemming from a shoplifting case. charged with...
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there may be that may be, i should say, the work of slain terrorist tamerlan tsarnaev. on september 12th, 2011 three people found murdered in boston suburb. the case has never been solved. now police are looking at the terror connection. with us attorneys and fox news analyst kimberly guilfoyle and lis wiehl. the cops now just tell us about the connection. >> the connection is that they were friends. they were boxing buddies. they went to the same gym. >> one of the murdered guys is friends with tamerlan. >> brandon mets. >> he went to the same -- trained at the same place. the coach there at that gym said they were best friends. >> best friends. >> also i spoke with middlesex prosecutor's office today and they confirmed that that killing, the slaying of those three it looked like somebody let them in. there was not a forced entry. so u. have got friends, you have got no forced entry. you have got -- and the third thing that was a little bit strange is the that slain terrorists did not go to the funeral of the supposed best friend. that seemed to be odd. >> bill: there
there may be that may be, i should say, the work of slain terrorist tamerlan tsarnaev. on september 12th, 2011 three people found murdered in boston suburb. the case has never been solved. now police are looking at the terror connection. with us attorneys and fox news analyst kimberly guilfoyle and lis wiehl. the cops now just tell us about the connection. >> the connection is that they were friends. they were boxing buddies. they went to the same gym. >> one of the murdered guys is...
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also controversial over the burial of tamerlan tsarnaev. they are distancing themselves for the bomber and from dagestan. also this is on the day of two funerals for two victims. 8-year-old martin richard killed in the bombing and m.i.t. officer sean collier who was shot by the alleged bombers. and we have jake tapper with the latest on the investigation and nic robertson with what the suspects' mother is saying. jake, bring me up to speed on the latest news. >> reporter: well, piers we told you yesterday that he was cooperating with investigators. we talked about there was a motivation. that the brothers thought islam was being attacked and needed to defend it. a u.s. government official told me today that one of the reasons in the justification, in the motivation, according to investigators is that dzhokhar said the wars in iraq and afghanistan were part of why they carried out this senseless act. so this is just what he is telling investigators. it is to be taken with something of a grain of salt and no one obviously is just automaticall
also controversial over the burial of tamerlan tsarnaev. they are distancing themselves for the bomber and from dagestan. also this is on the day of two funerals for two victims. 8-year-old martin richard killed in the bombing and m.i.t. officer sean collier who was shot by the alleged bombers. and we have jake tapper with the latest on the investigation and nic robertson with what the suspects' mother is saying. jake, bring me up to speed on the latest news. >> reporter: well, piers we...
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tamerlan is the one who carjacked the car. his little brother was nearby, we're told by a source in the investigation. so that's how it played out. but, boy, you are right, erin, what a crazy night. and it's taken this long. i think it's really taken this long for the police to figure it all out. >>> well, drew griffin, thanks very mump. we are learning now about where and how the brothers may have gotten some of the explosives that they used in the bombings. this has been another huge question mark out there. >> reporter: erin, cnn is told tonight that tamerlan, at one point, purchased a very large cachet of firearms. >> william says that this purchase took place on february 6th. he stressed at the time, it was not out of the ordinary. he says tamerlan asked the clerk what is the loudest and biggest thing that you have. he paid about $200 in this purchase. and, again, the purchase was two reloadble mortar kits with about 48 reloadble shells. >> thanks to you, brian. >>> one of tamerlan's closest friends, a man named brendan m
tamerlan is the one who carjacked the car. his little brother was nearby, we're told by a source in the investigation. so that's how it played out. but, boy, you are right, erin, what a crazy night. and it's taken this long. i think it's really taken this long for the police to figure it all out. >>> well, drew griffin, thanks very mump. we are learning now about where and how the brothers may have gotten some of the explosives that they used in the bombings. this has been another huge...
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tamerlan tsarnaev the older of t two bomrs was interviewed by the fbi in 2011 after a tippoff from russian intelligence. after that it seems he disappeared from the fbi's radar. this was in spite of a six month trip to chechnya and dagestan and uploading jihadist materials on youtube. earlier today the fbi briefed the house and senate committee on what they knew of him. joining me now from washington philip mudd, former deputy director of the cia counterterrorist center, also a deputy director of the fbi national security branch. his new book is called takedown inside the hunt for al qaeda. i'm plsed, reaypleased toave hihe on this program. welcome. >> thank you. >> rose: so tell me what your take is on this-- on them, the two brothers. on what they did, where they came from, whether there is some election with-- link with people in chechnya that might have had some influence on them. what is the mudd appraisal of this? >> my first a operational is these two kids, i take the younger kid's word not because of what he says but because i look at the characteristics of the event and say from s
tamerlan tsarnaev the older of t two bomrs was interviewed by the fbi in 2011 after a tippoff from russian intelligence. after that it seems he disappeared from the fbi's radar. this was in spite of a six month trip to chechnya and dagestan and uploading jihadist materials on youtube. earlier today the fbi briefed the house and senate committee on what they knew of him. joining me now from washington philip mudd, former deputy director of the cia counterterrorist center, also a deputy director...
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tamerlan later died after a shootout with police. in providence, rhode island, lawyers for tamerlan tsarnaev's wife catherine said she had been unaware of the bombing plot. >> the reports of involvement by her husband and brother-in-law came as an absolute shock to them all. as a mother, a sister, a daughter, a wife, katie deeply mourns the pain and loss to innocent victims, students, law enforcement officers, families and our community. in the aftermath of this tragedy she, her daughter and her family are trying to come to terms with this event. >> woodruff: meanwhile, both the "washington post" and the "new york times" have reported that the younger tsarnaev admitted his role in the attack. the "post" also reported he told investigators that u.s. involvement in the iraq and ghanisn warwere mtivati factors. other accounts said there appeared to be no links to larger terrorist groups. in russia today, their mother said f.b.i. agents talked to her about tamerlan tsarnaev's trip back home last year, but she told them he was no radical.
tamerlan later died after a shootout with police. in providence, rhode island, lawyers for tamerlan tsarnaev's wife catherine said she had been unaware of the bombing plot. >> the reports of involvement by her husband and brother-in-law came as an absolute shock to them all. as a mother, a sister, a daughter, a wife, katie deeply mourns the pain and loss to innocent victims, students, law enforcement officers, families and our community. in the aftermath of this tragedy she, her daughter...
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and this guy tamerlan. >> of course, i also read someplace that tamerlan didn't go to his funeral or to his wake. >> i was just going to say that. >> which was suspicious to some. >> and some say that means he didn't do it because if he did do it, then he would go to the wake to make it look like no one think he didn't do it. but i think for him not to go at all to the funeral or the wake suggests that there was something personal going on to me anyway. >> the thing that's curious to me, i don't know how one person, one man could kill three other men slit their throats. i could see him in busting in and shooting them but slitting their throats would take time. >> i agree with you there. but if you have a gun, and these were not street guys. these were kind of perpetual college students, pothead kind of guys. and i don't think -- it would have been a little tougher to do that in brooklyn than walltown. if you have a gun, you can get people to do remarkable things. the one guy, brendan mess, was a big martial arts guy, but still with a gun. and we know that tamerlan was able to get a h
and this guy tamerlan. >> of course, i also read someplace that tamerlan didn't go to his funeral or to his wake. >> i was just going to say that. >> which was suspicious to some. >> and some say that means he didn't do it because if he did do it, then he would go to the wake to make it look like no one think he didn't do it. but i think for him not to go at all to the funeral or the wake suggests that there was something personal going on to me anyway. >> the...
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is it a safe guess that under our law the authorities would know that tamerlan was going to russia? >> there was a ping on the outbound to customs. anything that makes a requirement for machine readable gets manual in putting out of the system and improves security. >> thank you, mr. chairman. >> it was a revelation on the border. we saw an apprehension. >> they knew exactly where the person climbing the fence would go. it was amazing. >> i think the woman heard senator schumer's accent and thought she was in new york. [laughter] it was a good trip. it is always good to see the border. you talked about apprehension rate. there has been concerned about metrics. is it true what we're calling for in the legislation is pretty much what you do now? senator schumer quoted some statistics from several years ago. now you have more resources to do it. the net effect. we know how many people across. we can get a better figure there. >> no one number captures the nature of the border. that is why i say there is no one metric that is a number 42 or some sort. these give you a picture of the bor
is it a safe guess that under our law the authorities would know that tamerlan was going to russia? >> there was a ping on the outbound to customs. anything that makes a requirement for machine readable gets manual in putting out of the system and improves security. >> thank you, mr. chairman. >> it was a revelation on the border. we saw an apprehension. >> they knew exactly where the person climbing the fence would go. it was amazing. >> i think the woman heard...
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been questioning members and that the mosque has provided the names of at least three members who saw tamerlan disrupt services at the mosque. the most recent was on martin luther king day. he called a speaker a non-believer and a hypocrite because he compared martin luther king to the prophet mohamed. leaders of the congregation told him he should not come back if he was going to disrupt services. he did return in the last month but didn't cause any more problems. joining me now is terrorist analyst michael lighter, former director of the national counterterrorism center under presidents bush ask obama and msnbc's joy reid. michael, what do you make of the totality of the incident as it exists tonight? >> it is quite clear the fbi is developing an credibly strong case here. although we can't say for sure yet, it's almost certain that the older brother was the first who was radicalized, inspired by the same messages that has inspired other home-grown extremists and followers of al qaeda. an extremist suni islamic idealogy which is a warping of the muslim faith and drove them ultimately to view
been questioning members and that the mosque has provided the names of at least three members who saw tamerlan disrupt services at the mosque. the most recent was on martin luther king day. he called a speaker a non-believer and a hypocrite because he compared martin luther king to the prophet mohamed. leaders of the congregation told him he should not come back if he was going to disrupt services. he did return in the last month but didn't cause any more problems. joining me now is terrorist...
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answers about whether the intelligence community should have done more to follow up on the older brother, tamerlan, after the russians complained two years ago that he appeared to be growing more radicalized. >> what about his electronic footprint, the suspect's cell phone they were trying to use to track him, the laptop they were anxious to look for inside his apartment? >> reporter: right. they have all that. they do have his cell phone we were told today. and they're looking through all of that for evidence that others may have been working with them. but they say every day they look into this, they become more convinced or leaning more toward a conclusion that the two acted alone, brian. >> pete williams, thanks. pete in our washington bureau tonight. >>> up in boston the copley square area slowly getting back to business after really being frozen in place as a crime scene eight days ago. some of the folks in the area were today preparing to reopen the stretch of that great city that will sadly forever be known as something of a crime scene. anne thompson is in boston for us tonight. >> report
answers about whether the intelligence community should have done more to follow up on the older brother, tamerlan, after the russians complained two years ago that he appeared to be growing more radicalized. >> what about his electronic footprint, the suspect's cell phone they were trying to use to track him, the laptop they were anxious to look for inside his apartment? >> reporter: right. they have all that. they do have his cell phone we were told today. and they're looking...
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this is after, of course, tamerlan has been taken down. and then the third picture, that's the one that you showed before, if you can put it back is the car in which they had all their bombs. and this is when the bomb squad sends a robot bomb detector over -- there it is -- to check and inspect the car for explosives. really just remarkable photographs. we would never have images of the gunfire if it weren't for andrew kissenberg. he is seeking people to donate to the one fund in exchange for showing these -- letting us have the license for these pictures. anderson? >> so, jay, what he is saying is he saw the vehicle allegedly driven by dzhokhar literally drive through the road black, basically just smash its way through the police roadblock. and did he also see the vehicle drive over his brother? >> i don't think that -- he didn't tell me that he saw that. he saw the car go through and get away. but at that point he was about half a block away. he couldn't get all the visions in detail. >> okay. >> anderson? >> and drew, you have some inf
this is after, of course, tamerlan has been taken down. and then the third picture, that's the one that you showed before, if you can put it back is the car in which they had all their bombs. and this is when the bomb squad sends a robot bomb detector over -- there it is -- to check and inspect the car for explosives. really just remarkable photographs. we would never have images of the gunfire if it weren't for andrew kissenberg. he is seeking people to donate to the one fund in exchange for...
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tsarnaev and his better tamerlan who was killed. to finish that thought, hina shamsi, what is the main mission of that moment? does it matter that that evidence may not be able to be used against him in a later court? there are times reporting they may not need it with other evidence. does that change your perspective? guest: no, because my perspective is based on the importance of the right and why it exists. and that there not be made exceptions this go beyond what is permissible. first, because it is wrong and may jeopardize prosecutions going forward. i'm not going to speculate more about what happened here and what didn't happen here, whether it was proper or improper. there is more information to come out and now that the case is in the hands of the federal defenders representing the defendant it is now up to them to determine how to proceed. host: a republican from baltimore. go ahead, jay. host: i'm a soldier and some of what i heard on the program today deeply disturbs me. i think the discussion about miranda is sue superfl
tsarnaev and his better tamerlan who was killed. to finish that thought, hina shamsi, what is the main mission of that moment? does it matter that that evidence may not be able to be used against him in a later court? there are times reporting they may not need it with other evidence. does that change your perspective? guest: no, because my perspective is based on the importance of the right and why it exists. and that there not be made exceptions this go beyond what is permissible. first,...
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what triggered tamerlan's cad ralization? luis vasquez who befriended him said he last saw tamerlan three years ago. when i asked why his friend drifted to radical islam -- >> the only thing i can think of, i only want to say what i'm sure of, that one of the sources of this could have been some kind of dissatisfaction of the bad, slow transition to coming to another country from a different one, as a teenager. that's never easy. >> vasquez now shares the sentments of those at the mosque, perplexed as to why the man they knew drifted in that direction, and angry he did it. >> lots of unanswered questions. brian todd, thanks very much. >>> one bostonian that was uncomfortably close to tsarnaev's gun fight with the police tells his story to cnn. a bullet went right through his roommate's desk chair. >>> plus, another dramatic cnn interview with the mother of the bombing suspects, who insists they were framed. [ male announcer ] if she keeps serving up sneezes... [ sneezing ] she may be muddling through allergies. try zyrtec®.
what triggered tamerlan's cad ralization? luis vasquez who befriended him said he last saw tamerlan three years ago. when i asked why his friend drifted to radical islam -- >> the only thing i can think of, i only want to say what i'm sure of, that one of the sources of this could have been some kind of dissatisfaction of the bad, slow transition to coming to another country from a different one, as a teenager. that's never easy. >> vasquez now shares the sentments of those at the...
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officials say his older brother tamerlan spent time on jihadist websites reading extremist propaganda including inspire magazine, which is aimed at aspiring lone wolf terrorists. the last fatal victim, m.i.t. officer sean collier was laid to rest today in massachusetts. his casket watched over by a police honor guard. the mourners were led by collier's parents and five siblings. vice president joe biden will attend a public memorial tomorrow. 8-year-old martin richard was also laid to rest this morning in a private funeral. a public memorial is also being planned. as for the survivors, amazingly, only one victim is still in critical condition. 45 remain hospitalized. of the total 264 injured, boston public health commission says the number of injured has increased because some victims delayed getting medical attention and are just now seeing a doctor. boston's recovery continues as the six-block area around the marathon finish line is now reopened to businesses and residents for the first time since the attack. nbc news national investigative correspondent mike isikoff remains in bost
officials say his older brother tamerlan spent time on jihadist websites reading extremist propaganda including inspire magazine, which is aimed at aspiring lone wolf terrorists. the last fatal victim, m.i.t. officer sean collier was laid to rest today in massachusetts. his casket watched over by a police honor guard. the mourners were led by collier's parents and five siblings. vice president joe biden will attend a public memorial tomorrow. 8-year-old martin richard was also laid to rest this...
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tamerlan reportedly visited daily while he was there. do we know any more about the happenings at that mosque? >> no. but we have confirmed with someone who is a security adviser to the local government as well as to moscow who confirmed that there have been security campaigns in that mosque. there was a recent detention of about 100 to 200 people. there are rumors, and many people believe that there are people with militant backgrounds associated with that mosque. or at least who spend time in that mosque. there are a lot of people who are innocent and go there to pray. we're trying to clarify how often the son went. the aunt said he told her he was praying every day. >> thank you very much. let me bring in national investigative correspondent. the crime scene behind you, quote/unquote cleared and businesses and people are starting. i want to get to the detail of the investigation. just asked adrian who is in dagestan about this mosque. this becomes relevant because we're learning more about what the brothers may have been motivated by
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and about the bureau's handling of the older brother tamerlan tsarnaev. let's go to chief political analyst gloria borger. talk about the pressure, the pressure the fbi is under to explain what the heck happened. >> announcer: lot of pressure. first of all, members of congress want to do their job and know what the fbi knew, when, they want to make sure information wasn't what we call in washington speak siloed, you know, post 9/11 the big issue was that agencies need to be sharing information. they want to make sure that, for example, the fbi, department of homeland security, intelligence were all sharing information. there is another really important question which just sort of came up today. if the fbi investigated this man and decided he was not really a threat, they contact the russians, they try to get more information, they don't get more information, what can they then do that doesn't violate federal guidelines to continue to pursue him? where do they have to cut it off? where does legal and illegal surveillance begin? there are federal guidelines
and about the bureau's handling of the older brother tamerlan tsarnaev. let's go to chief political analyst gloria borger. talk about the pressure, the pressure the fbi is under to explain what the heck happened. >> announcer: lot of pressure. first of all, members of congress want to do their job and know what the fbi knew, when, they want to make sure information wasn't what we call in washington speak siloed, you know, post 9/11 the big issue was that agencies need to be sharing...
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she was incredibly close to tamerlan, the elder son. and of course distraught by learning and convinced of his death last night. >> thank you very much for the reporting on this. really baffling how someone could take an extreme term and behavior and those closest to him seem completely oblivious to it. another part of the mystery of this situation. again, thanks for that, thick. >>> back here in boston, the big question is, which way the investigation will go? there's still so much unanswered, so much information, that authorities are hoping are inside the mind of the suspect they have in the hospital, the more he can speak, the more they can learn. we'll take a look at what possible charges are and directions and choices that have to be made by federal prosecutors to make their case when we come back. ♪ (train horn) vo: wherever our trains go, the economy comes to life. norfolk southern. one line, infinite possibilities. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 and the streetsmart edge trading platform from charles schwab... tdd#:
she was incredibly close to tamerlan, the elder son. and of course distraught by learning and convinced of his death last night. >> thank you very much for the reporting on this. really baffling how someone could take an extreme term and behavior and those closest to him seem completely oblivious to it. another part of the mystery of this situation. again, thanks for that, thick. >>> back here in boston, the big question is, which way the investigation will go? there's still so...
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's clear that tamerlan tsarnaev, they had no record of him going to russia or coming back because his name was misspelled. by a place where we don't have regulations, a foreign airline. under our bill, everything would have to be pass -- passport or machine-read that so type of mistake could not occur. if our bill were law, isn't it a pretty safe guess that the authorities would have known that tsarnaev went to russia and came back? >> if i might, there are redundancies now in the system so there was a ping on the outbound to customs. this is my understanding, this has been kind of changing picture, but even regardless of that, anything that makes a requirement for machine-readable gets manual inputting out of the system, imprombings security. >> all right. ok. thank you, mr. chairman. >> thank you. >> thank you. it was a revelation to go down on the border. we actually watched and illegal border crossing while we were there. >> and an apprehension. >> as you hear. and an apprehension. a quick one, too. >> i'd like to ask unanimous consent -- they knew exactly where the person who was
's clear that tamerlan tsarnaev, they had no record of him going to russia or coming back because his name was misspelled. by a place where we don't have regulations, a foreign airline. under our bill, everything would have to be pass -- passport or machine-read that so type of mistake could not occur. if our bill were law, isn't it a pretty safe guess that the authorities would have known that tsarnaev went to russia and came back? >> if i might, there are redundancies now in the system...
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it there was a misspelling of tamerlan's name which would have led to his name being missed. this was a matter addressed by the homeland security secretary before congress talking about a proposal to improve the system. listen. >> is it true that his identity document did not match his airline ticket and why did the tsa miss the discrepancy? >> there was a mismatch. by the way, the bill will help with this because it requires that passports be electronically readable as opposed to manually input. it does a good job of human error to the extent it exists out of the process. with the misspelling under our current system there are redundancies and so the system did ping when he was leaving the united states. >> by the way, the official said even when there's a hit in this system for noteworthy travel it doesn't prompt anyone in law enforcement to take action. anderson? >> joe, appreciate that. we got a statement from the law firm representing the widow of tamerlan tsarnaev who died in the shoot outfriday. chris lawrence joins us by phone from providence, rhode island this aftern
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"the new york times" reports that after the tib questioned tamerlan tsarnaev in 2011, officials had quote no authority to watch him because they found no terrorism activity at the time. this scenario that an american could and would do this while flying under the radar raises serious questions regarding national security. the "washington post" writes the boston attacks might serve as a new model for terrorism in the 21st century. seeing how two kids with backpack bombs seem to have succeeded in putting a major u.s. city on lockdown, it may now dawn on al qaeda leaders that a series of small-scale attacks like this conversation the same impact as one spectacular mass casualty attack. through a combination of skill and luck, we've done well at preventing the next 9/11. preventing the next boston massacre might not be as easy. joining me today, former dnc communications director and msnbc host, karen finney, "new york times" op-ed columnist frank bruney, retired army sergeant wes moore and "mother jones" msnbc political analyst, david corn and msnbc justice correspondent, pete williams. let'
"the new york times" reports that after the tib questioned tamerlan tsarnaev in 2011, officials had quote no authority to watch him because they found no terrorism activity at the time. this scenario that an american could and would do this while flying under the radar raises serious questions regarding national security. the "washington post" writes the boston attacks might serve as a new model for terrorism in the 21st century. seeing how two kids with backpack bombs seem...
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towards her and there is an interesting question about what influence she had over tamerlan and the influence he had over his younger brother. >> and there are reports of the side story that friends of tamerlan think he may have been involved in a triple murder that took place in 2011 that took the life of one of his american friends, someone described as his best friend. what are authorities saying about that investigation because it was a cold case? >> i just spoke a little while ago to the district attorney's office and they confirmed it is an open and on going investigation. i think we have to be cautious on this one. the links are a bit tennious. apparently some relatives of one of the victims thinks there may be a connection based on comments from some of the friends but it is not clear exactly how close that the relationship was between one of the victims and tamerlan. there is some disputed reporting on that. and they are not confirming that tamerlan tsarnaev is a target or subject of the investigation right now. so i think right now we have to be a little cautious. i want t
towards her and there is an interesting question about what influence she had over tamerlan and the influence he had over his younger brother. >> and there are reports of the side story that friends of tamerlan think he may have been involved in a triple murder that took place in 2011 that took the life of one of his american friends, someone described as his best friend. what are authorities saying about that investigation because it was a cold case? >> i just spoke a little while...
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tamerlan didn't come right in the beginning. so he had a lot of moves, a lot of difficult things -- jenna: if i could, anne, even considering that very dynamic past if that is, indeed, the case, and we showed a little bit of the interview with the teacher, people go through that, and not everyone becomes a terrorist. so what would be the tipping point, if you will, for someone in a state, a mental state where there's ptsd or other side to, again, switch to terrorism? >> the way these groups work, they take a vulnerable individual which he was, and they expose them to a terrorist ideology, and the current militant jihadi ideology has a narrative where they feel sorry for muslims that they claim are oppressed around the world, and they instigate for fighting back against western powers that are supposedly hurting muslims around the world. he uploaded a video of the syrian uprising showing that he felt sympathy for what assad was doing to the syrian people there, which was very similar to what happened to the chechnyan people. a lo
tamerlan didn't come right in the beginning. so he had a lot of moves, a lot of difficult things -- jenna: if i could, anne, even considering that very dynamic past if that is, indeed, the case, and we showed a little bit of the interview with the teacher, people go through that, and not everyone becomes a terrorist. so what would be the tipping point, if you will, for someone in a state, a mental state where there's ptsd or other side to, again, switch to terrorism? >> the way these...